Being on BBC Breakfast

Sophie Neville, Suzanna Hamilton and Kit Seymour on BBC Breakfast

‘Can you speak to BBC Breakfast?’ I was asked. ‘They want to interview the cast on Zoom tomorrow morning.’

It was Saturday 29th June. We were at Windermere Jetty in Cumbria for the 50th Anniversary of ‘Swallows and Amazons’, the 1974 film was being screened in the room below us and a huge number of enthusiasts were eager to chat about how we’d made it. I had just come in from sailing Amazon, John Sergeant, president of The Arthur Ransome Society, was about to arrive and we had books to sign, but I knew it was important to act fast. The BBC would need time to contact StudioCanal in order to use the film trailer. I grabbed my lap-top and attempted to persuade the production team we had lots to talk about while finding a good signal. The best place was on a staircase, which was fun when Captain Nancy and Mate Susan rushed past, but a more interesting background was required.

‘What time do you want us on air?’

‘7.40am.’

‘Ah – the museum doesn’t open until 10.00am. Can we chat to you from the terrance of our hotel? It overlooks Windermere.’

‘It might be best if we send out an outside broadcast unit.’

I wasn’t told the item would also go out on Look North and North West News.

I woke early the next morning to find Keith, the BBC cameraman, setting up his equipment. Rain clouds cleared as I unrolled Arnaldo Putzu’s 1974 film poster and plonked David Wood’s screenplay on top of it with a few flags but worried about my hair, which was not behaving. We had Peter Robb-King, one of the greatest make up designers in the world with us. I should have asked for his help. All I did was remove a car key from around my neck.

Sadly, Simon West who’d played Captain John had already left, but Suzanna Hamilton and Kit Seymour emerged from their rooms and we lined up for the shot.

Was I organised? Did I tell them, ‘We need to get three points across!’ ?

No.

Someone quietly suggested I could mention The Arthur Ransome Society who had organised the weekend festival, which was free for all.

Sophie Neville, Suzanna Hamilton and Kit Seymour setting up for BBC Breakfast
Sophie Neville, Suzanna Hamilton and Kit Seymour setting up for BBC Breakfast

Keith fitted us with earpieces and explained that there would be a delay between questions asked in the studio and our answers. We couldn’t see the presenters but could hear the film trailer being played. When we were asked us to introduce ourselves, I didn’t realise they needed to know which characters we’d played until I got to Kit Seymour, who had been Nancy. Straight forward and honest, she managed to answer the difficult question:

‘What’s it like… how does it feel?’

‘Listening to stories of how the film has changed people’s lives,’
she admitted, ‘was quite an emotional experience.’

Suzanna, explained in her beautiful voice, that since the the story was set in the 1930s it hasn’t dated, and we were able to chat naturally about our mission to encourage the next generation to get out on the water. We chatted about the movie memorabilia and David Wood’s script – that as children we were never allowed to read and the amazing time we were having at Windermere Jetty museum where one little girl arrived dressed as Titty Walker with a green parrot on her sholder.

I held Swallow’s flag and managed to speak about the acquisition and renovation of the dinghies, aware that there were no boats to be seen on the hotel terrace. However BBC Breakfast have brilliant vision mixers. The best film clips of Swallow and Amazon literally sailed over my words and I grabbed the chance to talk about The Arthur Ransome Society on national television before they bid us farewell.

When John Sergeant asked me how it had gone I had to admit that we tripped up on the time delays, but we celebrated the much loved film bringing news that Swallow and Amazon are being made available for anyone to sail and that grants are available for children to take part in outdoor activities mentioned in Arthur Ransome’s twelve books.

Many thanks to all those who left encouraging feedback on social media. I forwarded it to the production team.

Eileen Jones – This is fascinating , about the landscape more important than costume. Just introduced another generation.

Will Hawthorne – just watched it. Lovely.

Amanda Whatley – Great interview, congratulations on the reunion of the boats and people. 

Jon Porter – Fantastic

John Greenhough – Great memories of this film. 

David Elms – Delightful interview Sophie. 

Amanda Currie– I ‘m so sorry I didn’t get there Sophie, my stupid body keeps letting me down, I would have so loved to meet you all. 

Robin Jett – I love your delight about the boats. The boats are back! What fun! Great to see how ‘Susan’ and ‘Nancy’ have grown up too. I can see aspects of each character in each actress, but I expect, if you had all played different characters, that might still be true.

50 years ago – when the EMI film ‘Swallows and Amazons’ (1974) was launched in cinemas

The original film ‘Swallows & Amazons’ was first screened at a preview in London on 31st March 1974.

Brian Doyle, the film publicist, noted it in his diary. This was sent to me by his daughter, Pandora Doyle, who was taken along with her mother Jo and friend Alison.

The cast of ‘Swallows and Amazons’ either joined them there or at an afternoon press screening on 2nd April. We certainly went to one preview. It utterly amazed us. We had not remembered the Lake District being so sunny.

The premiere was also held at the ABC cinema in Shaftesbury Avenue, London, at a Royal Gala Premier on 4th April 1974.

The film has since been dubbed into at least eight different languages and screened all over the world. A number of different titles have been used from ‘Svaler og Amasoner’ to ‘El Capitan Pirata’.

They do not provide a release date for the Czech Republic, but it has been dubbed into Czech twice and is popular there. You can easily buy copies of the French version

the cover of the French DVD of 'Swallows and Amazons'(1974)
Caught shrieking on the cover of the French DVD of ‘Swallows and Amazons'(1974)

It is now screening on Netflix Europe and Amazon Prime.

There was a big splash when ‘Swallows & Amazons’ was first screened in Gloucester. Sten Grendon, who appeared as the Boy Roger, and I were taught to swim at the leisure centre there. Chris Maloney, who was awarded an MBE for his part in founding the Special Olympics, began to coach me when I was ten. I’ve been told that he also taught Sophia Loren to swim for ‘The “Goodness Gracious Me” Heiress’.

As we lived locally, Sten and I were asked to attend the first screening at the newly converted triple screen ABC in Gloucester, which was daunting. They were also screening ‘The Sting’ and ‘The Great Gatsby’ that both starred Robert Redford.

Chris Maloney later got Suzanna Hamilton and I jumping off the high board at Gloucester Leisure Centre. She was far braver than I.

You can read more in ‘The Making of Swallows and Amazons’ available in paperback from £15 or ‘The Secrets of Filming Swallows & Amazons’ an ebook for only £2.99

The Making of Swallows and Amazons by Sophie Neville
Different editions of ‘The Making of Swallows and Amazons’ by Sophie Neville

Help is needed to restore Swallow and Amazon, the original sailing dinghies used in the 1974 film ‘Swallows and Amazons’

'Swallows and Amazons' on VHS
The original VHS version of ‘Swallows and Amazons’ (1974)

The Arthur Ransome Society has launched a new venture: Sail Swallow and Amazon

The classic dinghies from the original Swallows and Amazons 1974 film are being restored by Hunters Yard at Ludham on the Norfolk Broads. We are looking forward to welcoming people to come and sail, or row, the boats in due course.  Hopefully, the Amazon may be ready this June, but Swallow‘s keel needs attention so she will be not be seaworthy until next season.

Amazon being restored at Hunter’s Yard, Ludham

Next year – from 28th-30th June 2024, both boats will be appearing at the 50th anniversary celebrations of the 1974 film at Windermere Jetty in the Lake District. All welcome! We are hoping the dinghies will be joined by some of the traditional steamboats that appeared in the Rio Scenes such as Osprey and the Lady Elizabeth.

More information on Sail Swallow and Amazon – The Arthur Ransome Society (arthur-ransome.org)

Swallow being restored by Hunter's Yard at Ludham in Norfolk
Swallow being restored by Hunter’s Yard at Ludham in Norfolk

If you would like to make a donation, the link is: I would like to Donate – The Arthur Ransome Society (arthur-ransome.org)

Amazon will soon be available to hire at Hunter's Yard, Ludham

You can read more in the Eastern Daily Press

Sailing Swallow on the River Alde in 2016
Sailing Swallow on the River Alde in 2016

This magazine article was originally published in Practical Boat Owner:

Article in Practical Boat Owner magazine 1974

I’ve written more about Swallow here

You can read an extract from my diary when we first sailed her on Windermere fifty years ago on 13th May 1973 here.

The story about how the film was made against the odds is told in ‘The Making of Swallows and Amazons’ available online.